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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts kate valentine and Farrugia

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prepare to header paradigms shifted in

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the truth questioned and now shattered

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reality hi this is farrugia and i'm here

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with a wonderful cake valentine well

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thank you for Russia good to be with you

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as well happy new year everyone yeah

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yeah another year welcome back to our

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podcast here I wanted to tell everyone

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how we have just gotten a new website

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and you should put it down it's ww

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shattered reality calm and you can get

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all our podcast right there and you

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should do great but today we have an

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even more interesting guest we have mr.

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Robert shrewder and he has written a

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phenomenal book and it's been on the

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Cape Valentine show as well and it is

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solving the UFO enigma how modern

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physics is revealing a technology of

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UFOs in that book Bob discusses a

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phenomenon that he describes as the bulk

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and when I saw the film interstellar I

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almost fell out of my seat because they

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mentioned that same term the bulk so Bob

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congratulations you got there before all

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these stars did katelyn ferocious thank

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you very much for those nice comments

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and and I'm actually very very glad to

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hear that Hollywood has beginning to

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pick up on things that are going on in

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modern physics because I believe we're

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going to find in the not-too-distant

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future that this technology we're going

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to have access to it ourselves

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absolutely and just to make it clear for

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the listen

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you are not a physicist by profession by

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profession and this is a hobby for you

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as a lot of people don't get interested

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in math and physics as a hobby Paula I

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know however I i should mention that I

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come from a family of scientists and

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engineers I have a degree from Rutgers

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University and mathematics I come from

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New Jersey by the way from teaneck new

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jersey yay yay and and and I have a

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degree in aerospace engineering CNR is

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assessing I didn't know that you you be

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ours me I Apollo no well I'm not exactly

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if this is this but getting getting

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there and and I have an MBA too but i

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should mention that i also come from a

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family of scientists and engineers and

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my dad was a chemist his dad my granddad

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was a mechanical engineer our daughter

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is a structural engineer down in the DC

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area Wow yeah and many and I have like

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20 or 30 nephews nieces cousins and

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stuff like that and and most of them are

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in technical fields too so I come from

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that kind of a background and just to

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give you an idea I right now I'm in the

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process of studying the math of the

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field equations of general relativity

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wow that's impressive and it does you

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bring up the question of nature or

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nurture in terms of I mean you know I'm

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not championing either I think it's

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probably a combination but with such a

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family history my goodness I I bread

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myself a little mechanical engineer and

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then there's a design engineer myself

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here with a double major in that and all

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the males in my family while they

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weren't officially engineers were all

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involved in building ships in the

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shipbuilding industry

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did engineering kind of work so i have

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to wonder about nature or nurture I I

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totally agree I have an identical twin

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brother and his passion for math science

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physics is just like mine um and I'm

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he's an identical twin not for journal

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and then I have identical twin sisters

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in LA they they say that it's only one

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chance in a million that a family will

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have two sets of identical twins and we

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we hit the jackpot wow that is an

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incredibly impressive and then I have

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another brother and another sister you

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know but they're up single not twins did

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they feel left out of it i think they

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waited let me ask you an unrelated

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question to the book at this point but

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we are a paranormal podcast here um did

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you and your brother or your sisters

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between each other have you know any

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sort form of ESP between you I lanza

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you a story it it probably is ESP um I

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was up in the white mountains hiking

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with some friends and my identical twin

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brother was supposed to be coming up but

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I didn't know which day we were hiking

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for like a week up there okay and we

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were I don't know if you know the white

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mountains in new hampshire but we were

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way above treeline and and it was a Jag

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and we were probably six or seven

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hundred feet below a ridge and then on

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the other side of the ridge or trails

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that came up from the base down below

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and we were up around five 5500 feet or

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so Anna and anyway um I was walking

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along with my friend Ed and the other

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people from the club and all of a sudden

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I just said this sensei is feeling like

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I I don't know exactly how I got it it

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just happened that my brother was on the

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the ridge and so ed said ah no way bug

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could you tell you know I said well I

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just sort of felt it and we got up on

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top of the ridge and sure enough there's

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my brother Dave climb climbing up the

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other side okay that is so that's again

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that's a good story of ESP between

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identical siblings yeah but I have an

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even better one is this is farrugia yes

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and this is hamza uh yeah well I have

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another one actually my wife seems to

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have psychic abilities now mind you I

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come from a family on my side of the

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family you know engineer a scientist and

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stuff like that and and my wife is very

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down to earth um she's not dumb she has

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no interest whatsoever and paranormal or

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psychic stuff or anything like that

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however she seems to have psychic

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ability and this is what kind of

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convinced me that there may indeed be

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something to ESP and some of these other

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paranormal things besides just UFOs but

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one day my wife and my daughter had gone

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to church and I would have gone with

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them but I was so engrossed in a project

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I was doing at home I was putting in

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pull down stairs going up to the attic

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to make to make a long story short I was

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up on a six foot step ladder and and I

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fell off the ladder and we didn't have

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carpets down and we had a hard plywood

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floors hello and I fell six feet

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backwards oh um onto the plywood it was

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about half past the hour so the church

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service was only half done and I slammed

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into the plywood and and it kind of

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knocked the breath out of me of our I

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remained conscious and and and of course

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when you take a fall like that you worry

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about breaking your back and being

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paralyzed sure and so I I remembered

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stories where people would wiggle their

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toes and their fingers so I yeah I did

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and then and then what happened was

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everything seemed to work so i said okay

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i'll try to get up and sighs slowly got

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up and then i stood at the top of the

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stairs there and I was sitting here

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thanking my lucky stars thanking God you

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know and then all of a sudden I hear the

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garage door open and my wife and

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daughter my wife and daughter come

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running in and Carol my wife runs to the

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bottom of the stairs and says Bob are

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you okay well and now the church the

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church is three miles from our house and

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there's no way they could have heard me

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and of course inside the house and and

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and yet um Carol told me that she knew

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something had had happened to me and I

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couldn't I have a little bit of a flu so

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I may be coughing here and there you

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know um so um that astounded me and it

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made me realize that something is going

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on that we do not understand yet but I

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think it's real in a well ferocious

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quite a psychic herself so she could

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laughs like I suppose sometimes um

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people who are naturally psychic like

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perhaps your wife they sort of take

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things for granted sometimes people just

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think that everybody can pick up these

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signals or clues and they're very

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surprised when everybody else doesn't

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know it you know um Carol um has done

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yeah yeah you that may very well be with

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Carol she kind of she doesn't make a big

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deal of it and it's happened on other

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occasions too and I'm just amazed I

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don't think I I think some people are

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amazed at their abilities but as I

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mentioned my wife is very down to earth

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that's Emma and she just doesn't you

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know think it's anything to

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extraordinary but I think it's amazing

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well it's like it could be very useful

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as you see in your case because had you

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been more badly injured than you

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were she may have saved your life by

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coming home so it that's right certainly

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not a useless talent and I'd have to say

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that psychic abilities come in different

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flavors you know like some people are

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empaths they can sort of feel what

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others are feeling while some other

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people just know facts and still others

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can you know move things at a distance

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and there are all sorts of different

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psychic abilities and I would say that

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psychic ability is like singing that

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most people can sing happy b'day some of

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us are unfortunate and can't even carry

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that Thun but there are people who sing

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like Michael Jackson or Pavarotti or

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Macklemore or whoever you happen to like

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at the moment and and those are those of

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the psychic stars but they nobody has

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all the talents so the person that can

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kind of produce movement in inanimate

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objects may not be the person who can

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know what you're thinking about yep and

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and I wonder too purusha if the UFO

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phenomenon some of the physics that Kate

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and I have discussed could be associated

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with psychic phenomenon and including um

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these mediums who seem to be able to

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talk to people who have passed over to

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the other side and and down so you know

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like got the Long Island medium Theresa

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Caputo or something and um and um I've

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seen her on TV and I don't think they're

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faking that show I think it's real and

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and there's something going on you know

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and maybe as we get a little

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further into the show and I talked about

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some of the physics you'll see the

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possible connection between these

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psychic phenomenon and the UFO

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phenomenon and which I think they're I

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think that may help us understand what's

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going on I have one one thing to put in

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to this conversation here and that is

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that people who are experienced errs and

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I am an experiencer seemed sometimes get

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additional psychic help after having

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been an experiencer and I'm not saying

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this about myself particularly but that

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experiencers do turn out to be more

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psychic sometimes than they were before

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they started have long experiences so I

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don't know if you can speak to that at

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all but that has been what I have

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discovered in reading about people and

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meeting other people who are experiences

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that they had a shift in their

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consciousness and became more aware I

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you know I Farrugia I have heard stories

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where people have had have been injured

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like they've had a concussion or

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something like that and then after the

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concussion they develop these psychic

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abilities and I let it and I can add one

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other thing that I know for sure my wife

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when she gets a headache um she doesn't

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have the psychic abilities mom and but

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after the headache has subsided she can

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start picking things up again so there's

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something in the human brain in the

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neurological system that is somehow

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picking up these these signals from some

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other place which may be as we talk

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about the UFOs I can get I meant

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Bob I was going to say since you're an

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engineer and we know there's a lot of

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information floating around in the air

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right now and if you have an iPhone and

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you dial in the proper frequency you can

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get that information and so I I've

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always had mentioned to ferruccio

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several times that if we had the proper

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intend and a proper frequency there's a

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lot of information that we could pick up

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at this time and some people have that

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antenna built into their brains and

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others do not so I think it might

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actually be just a physical saying more

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than a mental thing too yes I agree and

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you know Kate that's a very very

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interesting observation and as I maybe I

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can jump a little bit into the physics

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of UFOs or thurs do okay um well um I

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believe um Oh as I've mentioned on your

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show on your other show the cake

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Valentine Joe in that um that was well

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and not just myself but the physics

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community believes that there may be we

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may live in in and 11 dimensional

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universe and it and if that's true some

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of the theories suggest that we live on

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what they call a spacetime membrane and

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and it's a four-dimensional was actually

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a 10 dimensional space-time membrane but

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out the 11th this gets a little bit

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complicated but i'll try to go through

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it quick of the 11 dimensions that they

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think exists out there it looks like six

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are wrapped up at every point and in

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space-time in tiny little spaces and

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they're not really relevant to what the

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UFOs or the psychic stuff it is involved

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or probably not but that's still 11-6

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still leaves five large dimensions and

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we already know we live in a four

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dimensional universe three of space and

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one of time and these physicists modern

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physics think

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that we're living on this 10 dimensional

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space-time membrane but that there's

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another 10 dimensional space-time

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membrane next to us and and of course up

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those ten dimensions six are wrapped up

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at every point in space-time leaving

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only four large dimensions that we

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experience and however that since

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there's 11 dimensions that leaves one

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extra dimension and that that means that

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we have five of one extra-large

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dimension it indicates that we have

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we're living in a universe where there's

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five large dimensions and um and so

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what's exciting about that is that space

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between those membranes or between those

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universes which physicists call the bulk

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be you lk and i believe a lot of these

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phenomena that we're experiencing or or

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observing like UFOs or psychic phenomena

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are probably connected to the

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configuration of that extra five

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dimensional space between the ball

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between the the bulk between the

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membranes and that's what i think is

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going on and I and it turns out that one

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of the theories that comes out of these

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with the call string NM theory M stands

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for membrane one of the theories that

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comes out of it is something called wark

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geometry and warp geometry developed by

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a Harvard physicist and another one from

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John Hopkins University they will is a

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big problem in physics called the higher

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key problem and it's the puzzle of why

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gravity there's only four fundamental

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forces in nature electromagnetism the

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weak nuclear force the strong nuclear

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force and gravity but the three none

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gravity forces are the weak nuclear

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force strong nuclear force and

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electromagnetism are exponentially

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stronger than gravity gravity is

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weak compared to those other forces and

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it's such a big problem in physics

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because it makes no sense that it even

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has its own name it's called the

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hierarchy problem and anyway they've

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been trying to solve this problem for

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decades and they haven't had much luck

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but with these latest theories and

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particularly this one called warp

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geometry they think that gravity gets

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stronger at the deeper you get into the

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bulk that is they think gravitons that

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the particle that carries the gravity

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force 99.999% of all gravitons maybe

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they believe are located in that bulk

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area and that Annika and that gravity

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get edgy if you were able to believe the

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space-time membrane that is our universe

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here if you were able to leave it and go

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into the bulk the deeper you got into

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the bulk the stronger gravity gets and

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in fact it reaches a strength of 10 to

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the 16 power stronger than what we

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experienced here in our universe and

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what's exciting about that is the second

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I saw this theory i as i mentioned to

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Kate I I realized that if UFOs could get

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into the bulk that general activity

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tells us that distance shrinks and a

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strong gravity feels yes so if these

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guys if they can get their ships into

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the bulk and I'll just give you one

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interesting example Alpha Centauri which

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is the closest star system to Planet

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Earth is 4.3 light-years from Planet

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Earth or 25 trillion miles so it's a

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heck of a ways it would take us it would

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take a centuries to get there with our

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rocket ships Anna and anyway but on the

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other hand if you could get into the

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bulk only to the point where gravity is

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only one 10,000

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of its maximum strength in the bulk just

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that relatively short distance into the

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bulk the distance to Alpha Centauri

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shrinks from 25 trillion miles all the

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way down to 25 miles and I think that's

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what the UFOs are doing if this bulk is

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real if these extra dimensions are real

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and if they are worked as this these

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harvick physicists are saying then it

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may be how UFOs get to Planet Earth in

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other words and so and that's really

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exciting but I also think that that that

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Bulgaria may explain other phenomena

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like psychic things and stuff like that

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I have a question for you and that is I

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do black holes lead into the bulk

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because as I've read about black holes

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I'm not a scientist or an engineer but

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some of the things I've read about them

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say that the gravity becomes much

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stronger in within the black hole that's

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actually a very good question it's some

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copper usha and it's it turns out that

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you've heard of the Large Hadron

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Collider oh yes article particle

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accelerator in Geneva Switzerland yes

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Wow well they expect to create something

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called galoot supplying gravitons and

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these are a kind of graviton that are

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much stronger than the normal graviton

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that we experience on planet earth and

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in fact and they they will get up and

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strength to 10 to the 16th power

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stronger but that's one followed by 16

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zeros stronger yeah that's a big big

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number stronger than the gravitons that

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we have on planet earth and in fact

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they're so strong that if they do create

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them at the Large Hadron Collider

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scientists figure that they will end

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deuce the creation of micro black holes

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I've heard that I didn't understand why

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and that's why disconnected me oh yeah

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and and that's why they're they're going

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to expect that these will be created but

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it will only happen if the extra

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dimensions exist so there's a lot of

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excitement in the physics community

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because there's there's some other

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reasons which I'll explain in a minute

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but anyway um these micro black holes a

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be interesting thing about them Oh in

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fact that you may have remembered some

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of the controversy yes I wrote about it

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on my blog and oh you did well and um

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there was a lot there was some concern

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among many people newspaper editors and

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journalists and stuff that if they

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started creating these micro black holes

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they might grow bigger and eventually

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swallow Switzerland and and and of

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course that would be a real catastrophe

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because would have no more Swiss

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chocolate yes I I want to enter it just

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really quick interject this uh this

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physics sounds very complicated Bob

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Schroder makes it very simple and he

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goes over it step by step in his book

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solving the UFO enigma this sounds

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interesting to you get a copy of this

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book because it's not just theory with

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him it's not like he's saying uh I

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wonder what would happen if they had a

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graviton like this all of his theories

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are based on fact and he goes over them

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in his book solving the UFO nygma I'm

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sorry about how to get that in Bob

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pretend I do I have question for you at

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the same time are you had a man dedicate

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if 11 dimensions are real now you as a

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mathematician isn't it the case that

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they have been proven mathematically oh

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well not not exactly they have to

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purusha they will

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have to prove it experimentally

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mathematically you can have any amount

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of extra dimensions and some of the

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early or mathematicians like burnet

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Bernhard Riemann a German mathematician

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way back in the 1850s he's one of the

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guys that kind of played around with

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these ideas of extra dimensions and

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stuff and um but um they haven't been

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proven yet I mathematically it's clear

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that they could exist but experimentally

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we don't know yet and that and so I do

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urge everyone and who's listening to pay

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attention to what's going on at the

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Large Hadron Collider because it's going

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to be firing up again yeah they already

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they ran it a year ago and I shut it

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down and so they originally they were

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running it at seven trillion electron

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volts and now they're going to run it at

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done a double that 14 trillion electron

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volts this baby is going to be really

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packing a wallop you know and and and so

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that they do expect some really

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interesting physics to come out of it

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including the possibility of the

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discovery of extra dimensions and if the

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energy does turn out these extra

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dimensions are real I think at that

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point things get really exciting because

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I think it's going to set the entire

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physics community on a new path a

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relatively new path really looking for

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the physics associated with these extra

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dimensions and if I could just jump back

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for a second as I was mentioning that

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hierarchy problems the discredited

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discrepancy between the weakness of

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gravity and the strength of the much

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stronger none gravity forces well for

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decades for probably forty four or five

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decades they've been working on another

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theory called supersymmetry and that

543
00:29:11,649 --> 00:29:09,200
theory was supposed to solve the

544
00:29:15,729 --> 00:29:11,659
hierarchy problem but supersymmetry

545
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:15,739
didn't necessarily need extra dimensions

546
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:21,289
and and so but on the first run of the

547
00:29:26,019 --> 00:29:23,690
Large Hadron Collider a little over a

548
00:29:28,889 --> 00:29:26,029
year ago and they spent like six or

549
00:29:32,769 --> 00:29:28,899
eight months are running the thing they

550
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:32,779
found no evidence of the particles of

551
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:36,559
the lightest particles predicted by

552
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:40,730
supersymmetry and and any anybody who

553
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,159
has copies of the may 2014 scientific

554
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:48,559
america will notice that on the front

555
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:51,769
covers in red it's a red front cover red

556
00:29:58,539 --> 00:29:55,850
color it says it says a crisis in

557
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:58,549
physics and then they and I talk about

558
00:30:05,859 --> 00:30:03,200
the apparent failure of supersymmetry to

559
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,869
explain the hierarchy problem but that's

560
00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:08,480
actually good news for those of us who

561
00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:10,340
believe the extra dimensions might be

562
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:14,389
real because if supersymmetry fails it

563
00:30:19,779 --> 00:30:17,690
means the all these theories on extra

564
00:30:23,349 --> 00:30:19,789
dimensions which have been kind of the

565
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:23,359
black sheep of the family they now come

566
00:30:29,109 --> 00:30:25,730
to the forefront and become much more

567
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:29,119
credible than they were before and so

568
00:30:34,629 --> 00:30:31,460
that's what I think is so exciting

569
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,639
because I believe that we may be on the

570
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,279
threshold of discovering these extra

571
00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:39,279
dimensions and it's going to lead to

572
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:42,470
very interesting exotic physics I

573
00:30:51,399 --> 00:30:47,769
believe in a fairly close near future

574
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:51,409
sounds fascinating and it does seem to

575
00:31:00,909 --> 00:30:56,559
explain how of the UFOs may not be seen

576
00:31:04,409 --> 00:31:00,919
traveling through our solar system all

577
00:31:08,019 --> 00:31:04,419
the time but that they suddenly appear

578
00:31:11,289 --> 00:31:08,029
in the atmosphere and that disappeared

579
00:31:14,409 --> 00:31:11,299
just as quickly it also seems to

580
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:14,419
possibly explain my and my my jury is

581
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:16,490
out on the Sasquatch is

582
00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:20,750
you but people for you know hundreds of

583
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:23,750
years have reported Yeti and Sasquatch

584
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:27,790
in Yowies and these large hominids and

585
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:32,650
they seem to come and go out of our

586
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:37,070
dimensional universe time yeah um the on

587
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:40,390
the Sasquatch is just real quick um the

588
00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:43,970
primatologist Jane Goodall believes

589
00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:46,520
she's thanks pretty famous for the work

590
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:49,670
she did in Africa absolutely um she

591
00:31:56,530 --> 00:31:51,650
believes that there might be something

592
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:56,540
to the Sasquatch and so um I know that's

593
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:58,220
not what we were going to be talking

594
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:01,190
about tonight but um I think somebody

595
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:04,490
with her credentials and background for

596
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:06,530
her to come out and say that she talked

597
00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:09,050
to the Indian tribes on the west coast

598
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,520
and and she came to the conclusion that

599
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:15,679
virtually every Indian tribe up and down

600
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,220
the west coast up into Canada has a name

601
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:22,640
for this creature and and then of course

602
00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:28,580
the number of reports um if she pointed

603
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:31,700
out on a show I saw on TV are in the

604
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:34,130
thousands I mean thousands and thousands

605
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:37,130
of reports so I I'm going to convince

606
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:39,770
there probably is something to the

607
00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:41,950
Sasquatch I kind of think it's some

608
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:46,940
person um Gigantopithecus a great ape a

609
00:32:53,770 --> 00:32:49,809
giant ape that they believe was bipedal

610
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,780
that lived in in Asia and it probably

611
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:56,480
crossed the Bering Strait at roughly the

612
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:00,080
same time as humans did coming from Asia

613
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:02,570
to the Americas other Native Americans

614
00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:05,270
in a and but you know what i was going

615
00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:08,300
to say one other thing purusha I you had

616
00:33:14,169 --> 00:33:10,400
mentioned the black holes going into the

617
00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:14,179
book into the bulk I didn't quite finish

618
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,200
that um actually the kk gravitons that

619
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:21,679
create the micro black holes themselves

620
00:33:29,650 --> 00:33:24,970
those kk graph does will have a tendency

621
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:29,660
to move into the bulk in a and that's

622
00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:30,230
there

623
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:33,020
natural home and micro black holes may

624
00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:38,090
do the same thing although um it's they

625
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:40,790
they may actually just stay right on the

626
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:45,710
membrane we live on and um but um but I

627
00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:49,929
believe what these UFOs may be doing is

628
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:53,270
surrounding their craft with KK

629
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,270
gravitons but enough of them that the

630
00:34:02,020 --> 00:33:58,880
entire craft because the kk Grafton's

631
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:02,030
want to go to the bulk they were that's

632
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:03,590
their natural home where they ordinarily

633
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:06,890
live so I believe what they do is they

634
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:09,350
surround your craft with these kk

635
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:12,590
gravitons and then that pulls the UFO

636
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:14,659
into the bulk and i think that's how

637
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:17,629
they get there and the micro black holes

638
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:22,520
that they create swallow photons which

639
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:23,950
is why they call them black holes

640
00:34:31,419 --> 00:34:26,889
photons go at the speed of light and

641
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:31,429
those are the light particles are the

642
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:34,760
equivalent of light weight and and but

643
00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:37,310
it turns out that gram tons of forged

644
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:40,220
four-dimensional gravitons that i exist

645
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:43,399
in our universe also travel at the speed

646
00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:47,570
of light so when I was a look I'm

647
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:51,560
looking at the possibility that they

648
00:34:56,169 --> 00:34:53,600
might create micro black holes at the

649
00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,179
Large Hadron Collider the thought

650
00:35:01,930 --> 00:34:58,700
occurred to me gee what if those micro

651
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:01,940
black holes could swallow I knew they

652
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:04,960
swallowed photons but could they swallow

653
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:07,730
gravitons to four-dimensional gravitons

654
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:11,090
so i did some searches and something

655
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,750
they call archive.org witches wear

656
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:16,640
physicists pre published papers before

657
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:19,970
they going to regular magazines and

658
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:23,359
stuff and and sure enough I found all

659
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:25,910
these articles that physicists we're

660
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:28,310
going to be looking for exactly that the

661
00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:30,920
possibility that gravitons might be

662
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:33,740
swallowed by grab micro black holes at

663
00:35:38,109 --> 00:35:36,380
the Large Hadron Collider that's one of

664
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:38,119
the things they'll be looking for and

665
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:41,390
the second I thought saw that I knew how

666
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:44,090
UFOs are able to

667
00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:46,670
hover above planet Earth and I think

668
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:48,680
this is what they're doing I think what

669
00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:51,740
they do is they swallow ordinary four

670
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:54,020
dimensional graph tones now those four

671
00:36:01,420 --> 00:35:57,380
dimensional gravitons are constantly

672
00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:01,430
exchanged their their what they're

673
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:03,230
actually with the call virtual gravitons

674
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:08,090
and and in order for a space to be

675
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:10,870
worked according to general relativity

676
00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:13,700
there has to be a message or a signal

677
00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:16,340
sent back and forth between a mass like

678
00:36:22,330 --> 00:36:18,980
the planet earth and the sky above it

679
00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:22,340
and so these four dimensional Grafton's

680
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:25,580
do that job and so for example when an

681
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,610
airplane is going overhead and the

682
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:31,280
airplane itself is producing gravitons

683
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:34,130
and the end planet earth below is

684
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:36,170
producing grandpa tones and these are

685
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:38,870
exchanged between the plane and and the

686
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:43,040
earth and um and and that's what allows

687
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:48,020
the earth to in a sense it tell how much

688
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:52,310
mess the airplane has and and even

689
00:36:57,970 --> 00:36:55,310
though all objects as Galileo pointed

690
00:37:00,700 --> 00:36:57,980
out whether a feather in it in a vacuum

691
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:00,710
or a cannonball all fall at the same

692
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:04,040
rate so gravity is actually an

693
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:07,010
acceleration feel and obey I'm sorry to

694
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:09,380
get into the technical stuff but oh it's

695
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:13,370
Azmi and but the key thing is that if

696
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,300
these some UFOs are able to swallow four

697
00:37:22,270 --> 00:37:20,000
dimensional graph tones by creating kind

698
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:22,280
of an envelope of micro black holes

699
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:26,570
around the UFO which may explain that

700
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:29,510
glow that you see around them um then

701
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:32,930
what happens is the planet Earth instead

702
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:36,800
of seeing a 30-ton UFO sees only

703
00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:40,370
something as light as a frisbee and and

704
00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:45,260
and so um and for that reason these UFOs

705
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:47,660
don't need a lot of thrust they don't

706
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:50,510
need gigantic engines because even

707
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:52,730
though they really their mass is really

708
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:56,240
the equivalent equivalent of 30 tons as

709
00:38:00,160 --> 00:37:57,890
far as the earth is concerned

710
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,170
the earth only sees something that the

711
00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:02,000
lightweight lightweight like a frisbee

712
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:06,740
and just to add a little more intriguing

713
00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:10,460
evidence for that almost everybody who

714
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,940
sees these circular UFOs notices that

715
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:16,400
they're spinning on their central axis

716
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:19,310
and now think about when you have a

717
00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:21,650
frisbee in your backyard it's very

718
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:23,780
lightweight if you tried to throw it

719
00:38:29,530 --> 00:38:26,810
across the yard without spinning it it

720
00:38:32,350 --> 00:38:29,540
would just wobble and become unstable so

721
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,360
what do you do you spin it and that's I

722
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:34,720
think and that's exactly the same reason

723
00:38:40,990 --> 00:38:37,430
UFOs are spinning or the outer rim is

724
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:41,000
spinning to stabilize the object because

725
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:43,730
as far as the earth is concerned it's a

726
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:46,040
very lightweight object and that kind of

727
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:50,090
lends credibility to the possibility

728
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:53,290
that they enter they're not using

729
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:56,510
anti-gravity they're actually d massing

730
00:39:02,350 --> 00:38:58,970
these craft I believe that's what

731
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:02,360
they're doing and and by D massing the

732
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:05,630
craft one of the things that makes UFOs

733
00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:10,760
a puzzle and to earth science is their

734
00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:14,060
ability to accelerate at blinding speed

735
00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:17,150
yes and and well it turns out I think

736
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:19,160
the way the way they're able to do that

737
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,230
is we can accelerate a bullet of

738
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:26,480
low-mass bullet at blinding speeds but

739
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:29,180
only because it has such low mass and I

740
00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:32,960
think and and at the heart of general

741
00:39:38,170 --> 00:39:35,390
relativity is a postulant called the

742
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:38,180
equivalence principle Oh which equates

743
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:41,300
some inertial mass to gravitational

744
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:44,630
myths and and what I believe these craft

745
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:47,800
are doing is they are basically

746
00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:51,110
eliminating the gravitational mass of

747
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:54,920
these craft and that reduces because of

748
00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:57,140
the equivalence principle that reduces

749
00:40:02,020 --> 00:39:59,270
the inertial mass now if the inertial

750
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:02,030
mass is very important even if you're in

751
00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:04,070
the middle of space with no gravity is

752
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:06,980
acting on you if you try to accelerate

753
00:40:11,530 --> 00:40:10,280
your spaceship you'll still be pressed

754
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:11,540
back in the seat

755
00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:14,090
if you try to accelerate at high speed

756
00:40:19,330 --> 00:40:17,000
however if you are somehow able to

757
00:40:22,990 --> 00:40:19,340
reduce the inertial mass of your ship

758
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:23,000
you could accelerate even in it even in

759
00:40:30,340 --> 00:40:27,680
done gravity field to blinding speed and

760
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,350
it wouldn't affect you at all and I

761
00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:33,200
think that's how the UFOs are doing it I

762
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:36,320
think basically they're reducing the

763
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:38,900
gravitational mass which is equivalent

764
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:41,330
to their commercial mass and that

765
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:44,060
reduces their inertial mass and then

766
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:46,010
they're able to accelerate at these

767
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:49,430
incredible speeds I I have two questions

768
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:52,040
for you I don't mean to interrupt you

769
00:40:59,760 --> 00:40:55,910
but I'm not come up the first question

770
00:41:03,460 --> 00:40:59,770
is a surrounding the spinning of the

771
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:03,470
UFOs which has been unnoticed by a

772
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:06,950
number of observers and it has been used

773
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:11,240
in the past by people of science of at

774
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:13,130
least people who were making scientific

775
00:41:20,890 --> 00:41:17,870
theories that it that speaks to the idea

776
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:20,900
that some of the UFOs may come from a

777
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:22,970
different time like they could be

778
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:25,910
visitors from the past or the future now

779
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:28,550
of course time is is simply another

780
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:32,750
dimension so perhaps that's possible but

781
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:36,890
the idea of spinning apparently has been

782
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:40,640
used in some experiments and correct me

783
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:44,570
if I'm wrong in Austria to to bring

784
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:49,130
things forward in time I um I you know

785
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:51,530
Farrugia I think I've heard a little bit

786
00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:54,200
about that I'm not totally sure there's

787
00:42:01,840 --> 00:41:56,540
a guy and I can't think of his name an

788
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:01,850
Austrian physicist um I think I think

789
00:42:08,110 --> 00:42:05,330
you can do that haha I got it written I

790
00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:08,120
don't remember the guys name but maybe

791
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:12,350
I'll think of it but I believe you can

792
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:15,890
move particles subatomic individual

793
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:19,190
quantum particles forward and backward

794
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:22,820
in time but I don't think you can move a

795
00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:25,250
large object made up of

796
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:28,070
many many quantum particles up back and

797
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:31,670
forth in time and Stephen Hawking the

798
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:36,250
English physicist who's a real expert on

799
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:38,870
general relativity as well as quantum

800
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:41,990
mechanics has given a lot of thought to

801
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:45,550
the idea of time travel and it's his

802
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:49,760
conclusion that large objects cannot go

803
00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:53,030
backward afford in time conglomerations

804
00:42:59,790 --> 00:42:56,150
of quantum particles like us you know

805
00:43:04,240 --> 00:42:59,800
and and so I do think it's possible that

806
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:04,250
Austrian physicist I do think was able

807
00:43:11,950 --> 00:43:09,470
to take individual electrons and push

808
00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:11,960
them forward and backward in time but I

809
00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:16,550
don't but it's far more complex not

810
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,740
saying that a more advanced civilization

811
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:20,960
couldn't do it maybe they can but I

812
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:26,030
don't think I Stephen Hawking it came up

813
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:28,460
with some and I can't remember the exact

814
00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:31,640
of objections that he had but he came up

815
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:34,940
with certain theoretical reasons why it

816
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:37,250
wouldn't be possible or something you

817
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:40,310
know but it was I'm sorry there was also

818
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:42,200
the theory that during World War 2 the

819
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:44,090
Germans had worked on that with DES

820
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:47,330
glocca and it was put up in a stonehenge

821
00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:50,960
type of apparatus and the people that

822
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,790
people who lived in the area said that

823
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,280
there was some device that kept spitting

824
00:44:00,580 --> 00:43:58,160
in there and then it was all sort of poo

825
00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:00,590
pooed and said no that actually hadn't

826
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:03,400
happened but spinning was part of it

827
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:09,740
portable Ya Ya Allah Ya Ya I I my

828
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:14,480
personally I doubt that the Germans had

829
00:44:21,850 --> 00:44:19,370
uh anything like that back then because

830
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:21,860
of course part of the reason is simply

831
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:24,170
if they did have such advanced

832
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:26,930
technology they would have won the war

833
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:31,700
and but but they'd been on that same

834
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:35,590
track like working along those lines I I

835
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:38,990
sort of doubt it mom in fact isn't

836
00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:41,990
in fact quantum mechanics comes out of

837
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:47,060
Germany Heisenberg Germany in Austria at

838
00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:49,000
well in England too and France as well

839
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:52,060
there's a lot of people involved but

840
00:45:00,609 --> 00:44:56,900
basically max planck in germany in the

841
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:00,619
year nineteen hundred did came up with

842
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:03,260
the first idea that particles at the

843
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:05,990
quantum he's the guy that kind of was

844
00:45:11,609 --> 00:45:09,260
the father of quantum mechanics and then

845
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:11,619
other scientists including Einstein

846
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:16,000
werner heisenberg garland road ranger

847
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:21,020
paul dirac in english physicist and oh

848
00:45:26,590 --> 00:45:24,890
gosh having a senior moment near killed

849
00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:26,600
ligacao the other ones but there's a

850
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:29,780
whole bunch of people but so germany was

851
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,940
definitely a leader in developing

852
00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:34,640
quantum mechanics and of course Einstein

853
00:45:42,730 --> 00:45:36,500
lived in Germany when he developed

854
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:42,740
general relativity and so however these

855
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:46,640
guys were not involved even though

856
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:49,369
Heisenberg was in Germany during World

857
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:52,280
War two he certainly never wrote

858
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:55,220
anything about experiments being done

859
00:46:00,190 --> 00:45:58,190
over at that I think he called it Glocke

860
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:00,200
or something like that the glass was

861
00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:03,770
just German for Bell Oh Bell Oh Nicola

862
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,270
okay Claudia okay um well um I know that

863
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:10,880
had if anybody would have been involved

864
00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:12,590
in it it would have had to have been

865
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:15,340
born or Heisenberg and I know he wasn't

866
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:19,270
he never wrote anything about it so I'm

867
00:46:27,609 --> 00:46:22,970
afraid these are the kind of stories

868
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:27,619
that kind of start out yeah I think they

869
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:29,210
were probably doing experiments over

870
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:34,250
there and um but I but they and in

871
00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:37,910
fairness during the war Germany did

872
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:41,480
develop a lot of technology like jet

873
00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:44,810
engines of practical jet engines they

874
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:47,000
developed the Rockets they they

875
00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:50,200
developed probably the first

876
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:52,580
remote-controlled missiles

877
00:46:59,350 --> 00:46:54,770
and things like that and they were

878
00:47:02,410 --> 00:46:59,360
working on the atomic bomb as well but

879
00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:02,420
um they did simply didn't have the

880
00:47:09,010 --> 00:47:05,180
manpower hit looked at horridly didn't

881
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:09,020
want to use atomic power because he

882
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:11,570
called it Jewish science I mean now this

883
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:13,850
is not from me this is from things I've

884
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:15,890
read I don't know how to be true or

885
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:19,040
false only that I've read that no it was

886
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:23,690
wrong I Bennett I I don't oh yeah he may

887
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:26,590
as possible he said that I don't know

888
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:30,560
but I know Heisenberg himself um worked

889
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:34,790
with um you know many Jewish scientists

890
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,300
and and after after the war he continued

891
00:47:45,490 --> 00:47:40,400
to work with many to your side when she

892
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:45,500
so that Heisenberg that is and so um I

893
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:48,890
don't even if Hitler had said something

894
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:51,410
like that it certainly wouldn't have

895
00:48:00,240 --> 00:47:55,340
stopped the non-jewish scientists in

896
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:00,250
Germany from um working are you using

897
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:03,290
like general relativity which was that

898
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:06,200
developed by Einstein um he would not

899
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:08,390
have you know not used it because

900
00:48:13,810 --> 00:48:12,350
because um Einstein was Jewish well you

901
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:13,820
know though up you two saying that the

902
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:15,320
groundwork for all the theory that

903
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:20,180
you're working on now sort of sort of

904
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:25,270
got its start in the first you know 1902

905
00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:28,760
1900 war 40 so if World War two had not

906
00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:33,940
occurred and this research had continued

907
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:36,620
possibly we would have and let's say

908
00:48:40,180 --> 00:48:38,090
your theory is correct with the

909
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:40,190
gravitons and we could even have had our

910
00:48:48,610 --> 00:48:45,520
own UFOs by him yeah Oh mom actually um

911
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:48,620
actually and not that I'm an advocate of

912
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,120
war but at the war accelerated the

913
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:55,760
technology of it would be a nuclear

914
00:49:02,530 --> 00:48:59,930
technology it had caused enormous

915
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:02,540
resources in the United States as well

916
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:05,890
as Germany and and the other powers

917
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:10,330
to to be put into research on nuclear

918
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:13,390
weapons and applications of quantum

919
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:15,970
theory and stuff like that and and

920
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:20,230
what's a so although I it's a tragic way

921
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:23,640
for it to be developed it did accelerate

922
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:28,540
the research on nuclear technology which

923
00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:31,150
by the way has benefit of some people

924
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:33,640
would consider beneficial had some

925
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:36,790
beneficial side effects like like

926
00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:40,060
nuclear power plants now of course many

927
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:43,840
people today oppose nuclear power but

928
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:48,310
but other things too like Oh MRIs

929
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:52,330
magnetic resonance imaging was developed

930
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:54,670
from quantum theory and I believe a lot

931
00:50:00,090 --> 00:49:56,620
of that wouldn't have occurred as fast

932
00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:00,100
as it did were it not for the tremendous

933
00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:03,340
amount of research done during World War

934
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:06,580
two I think that really helped up and

935
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:10,270
look I'm sorry I just wanted to pull us

936
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:12,700
back a little bit closer to the UFO

937
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:14,950
subject though this is well extremely

938
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:19,210
fascinating people in the UFO field have

939
00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:23,430
pondered of for quite a while if the

940
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:28,300
UFOs are advanced advanced beings in a

941
00:50:33,810 --> 00:50:31,090
craft of some sort why is it that they

942
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,820
need to have lights on and I thought

943
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:35,920
with your I mean I've heard this on

944
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,250
other UFO shows constantly this this

945
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:41,920
question of you know why don't they just

946
00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:43,840
fly in the dark if they don't want to be

947
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:45,580
perceived and they're really an advanced

948
00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:48,730
civilization from Zeta Reticuli or

949
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:51,100
wherever why do they have light sons

950
00:50:56,190 --> 00:50:53,290
because of your interest in physics

951
00:50:58,740 --> 00:50:56,200
perhaps you could you know I know this

952
00:51:00,930 --> 00:50:58,750
is a sort of a trick question in a sense

953
00:51:02,610 --> 00:51:00,940
that you would we never you know

954
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:02,620
mentioned that we've been asking such a

955
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:05,050
question but since it is an ongoing

956
00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:09,190
question in ufology maybe you have a an

957
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:12,340
answer for us on that actually purusha

958
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:16,150
it's a very good question because that

959
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:19,420
actually it would seem that the

960
00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:21,670
they could somehow stay hidden all the

961
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:25,059
time but however I think this is what's

962
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:29,020
going on as I mentioned before I think

963
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:33,130
when they I in order to stay levitated

964
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:35,260
and all by the way there was a study

965
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:39,040
done by a guy by the name of Ted

966
00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:42,910
Phillips yes mr. Phillips yes oh no

967
00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:45,880
kidding that's great Anna and he worked

968
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:49,000
for dr. J Allen Hynek for a while and

969
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:52,770
and he estimated that the from

970
00:51:59,130 --> 00:51:55,930
impressions made on the ground he

971
00:52:02,730 --> 00:51:59,140
estimated from UFOs he estimated that

972
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:02,740
these craft a typical disc-shaped 50

973
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:07,240
foot diameter UFO way to me in around 40

974
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:10,089
30 40 tons and so that's pretty heavy

975
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:13,170
you know that's a lot of math and a and

976
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,230
and so um so in order to levitate those

977
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:19,599
things they have to be doing something

978
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,030
pretty extraordinary and as I mentioned

979
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:25,119
before I believe what they're doing is

980
00:52:31,049 --> 00:52:27,430
they're creating these micro black holes

981
00:52:34,859 --> 00:52:31,059
in kind of an envelope around the craft

982
00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:34,869
as an N and so but in the process of

983
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:38,950
doing that they excite them a molecules

984
00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:42,010
of air around the craft because what's

985
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:45,220
happening is these molecules of air are

986
00:52:49,859 --> 00:52:47,410
being sucked into these micro black

987
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:49,869
holes and they accelerate to very very

988
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:53,260
high speed as they get closer to the

989
00:52:58,799 --> 00:52:55,750
micro black hole and of course as a

990
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,809
particle gets to a high speed like that

991
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:02,079
it becomes very excited because it

992
00:53:06,990 --> 00:53:04,030
there's friction and things like that

993
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:07,000
and it becomes very excited and begins

994
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,030
emitting electromagnetic waves of their

995
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:12,640
have in various parts of the spectrum

996
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:16,510
and I and I believe that is one of the

997
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:19,930
causes of what appears to be the light

998
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:22,960
around these UFOs in other words it's

999
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:27,849
simply a side effect of their technology

1000
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:29,890
at their propulsion system their

1001
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:33,130
technology needed to keep the craft

1002
00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:36,670
dated 2d mass the aircraft and I would

1003
00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:40,180
definitely explain in addition when

1004
00:53:46,019 --> 00:53:41,980
micro black holes decay because they

1005
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,029
only last for a short period they decay

1006
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:48,480
into something called Hawking radiation

1007
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:50,970
named after that English physicist

1008
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:54,700
Stephen Hawking and so the Hawking

1009
00:54:01,440 --> 00:53:57,970
radiation itself would interact with the

1010
00:54:04,799 --> 00:54:01,450
air molecules near the UFO excite those

1011
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:04,809
air molecules and those air molecules in

1012
00:54:12,089 --> 00:54:08,700
turn would also emit electromagnetic

1013
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:12,099
waves and so I believe that's the cause

1014
00:54:18,539 --> 00:54:15,730
of the light that's seen around UFOs and

1015
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:18,549
it's and it's just simply a side effect

1016
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:23,500
of their technology and so but I think

1017
00:54:33,809 --> 00:54:29,099
but I I think there they do try to

1018
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:33,819
generally I think they something that

1019
00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:36,660
many people might be surprised at I

1020
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,079
think we ourselves may be relatively

1021
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:44,640
close to understanding UFO technology

1022
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:48,089
breath possibly within a decade or two

1023
00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:53,920
or sooner and and and I think one of the

1024
00:55:00,569 --> 00:54:57,059
reasons why right after we develop

1025
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:00,579
nuclear weapons and nuclear technology

1026
00:55:06,569 --> 00:55:03,730
there seemed to be a flurry of UFO

1027
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:06,579
sightings in the more advanced countries

1028
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:09,460
around the world and if you guys

1029
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:15,910
remember back in the 50s 52-54 57 and

1030
00:55:25,410 --> 00:55:19,990
those years we had scads and scads of

1031
00:55:28,769 --> 00:55:25,420
UFO sightings and and I boo and a lot of

1032
00:55:30,839 --> 00:55:28,779
them were as Robert Hastings he's a guy

1033
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:30,849
that wrote about nukes and oh you

1034
00:55:37,859 --> 00:55:34,990
probably know and I nukes and UFOs he

1035
00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:37,869
pointed out that these UFOs up and

1036
00:55:42,749 --> 00:55:40,420
definitely appear interested in our

1037
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:42,759
nuclear weapons sites around the planet

1038
00:55:46,589 --> 00:55:44,950
and here's what I think is going on and

1039
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:46,599
this is kind of

1040
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:50,410
fascinating because it may imply and

1041
00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:54,210
indicate that we are on the threshold of

1042
00:56:00,269 --> 00:55:57,700
understanding this technology our own

1043
00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:00,279
physics community with these theories

1044
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:02,200
that I was mentioning before that

1045
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,049
they've developed but these UFOs if we

1046
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:10,960
are if we do figure out in the next few

1047
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:14,049
years how to get into the bulk then we

1048
00:56:18,989 --> 00:56:16,210
will have the capability which may have

1049
00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:18,999
the capability to travel to other star

1050
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,660
systems easily in a and mother nature

1051
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:25,119
would provide a highway to get there um

1052
00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:30,609
and I think that these UFOs know from

1053
00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:33,640
experience if you notice these UFOs

1054
00:56:40,589 --> 00:56:37,630
always seem to act the same way and I

1055
00:56:42,739 --> 00:56:40,599
believe most likely these UFOs are

1056
00:56:46,289 --> 00:56:42,749
coming from many many different

1057
00:56:50,009 --> 00:56:46,299
civilizations not just one but they all

1058
00:56:53,069 --> 00:56:50,019
seem to behave in a similar fashion when

1059
00:56:56,749 --> 00:56:53,079
somebody approaches a UFO landed on a

1060
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:56,759
road or something the thing that the UFO

1061
00:57:03,959 --> 00:57:00,400
occupants quickly get on the craft and

1062
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:03,969
take off in a hurry you know and and I

1063
00:57:10,859 --> 00:57:07,839
believe the reason why they try to you

1064
00:57:14,279 --> 00:57:10,869
know not allow us to get too close to

1065
00:57:16,859 --> 00:57:14,289
them partly it might be they don't want

1066
00:57:18,959 --> 00:57:16,869
us to get injured by the Hawking

1067
00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:18,969
radiation or the other type of radiation

1068
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:21,400
that's admitted but the other reason I

1069
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:24,640
think is because they know we may be

1070
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,890
fairly close to understanding their

1071
00:57:32,279 --> 00:57:28,960
technology and I don't want us to

1072
00:57:34,859 --> 00:57:32,289
prematurely figure it out mmm Anna and I

1073
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:34,869
and I and I think that's and so but that

1074
00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:37,450
implies that there may be a federation

1075
00:57:42,329 --> 00:57:40,180
of advanced civilizations they're all

1076
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:42,339
acting in concert they're all behaving

1077
00:57:46,859 --> 00:57:44,380
in a similar fashion from many different

1078
00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:46,869
civilizations and so what I think what

1079
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:51,460
they're doing is they um they are they

1080
00:57:57,059 --> 00:57:53,950
know once a civil at developing

1081
00:57:59,700 --> 00:57:57,069
civilization like ours has developed a

1082
00:58:00,300 --> 00:57:59,710
nuclear technology they know that we're

1083
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:00,310
within

1084
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:03,310
decades maybe five six eight decades

1085
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:06,310
from developing the ability to penetrate

1086
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:08,890
the bulk and travel to other star

1087
00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:11,710
systems and I think what they don't want

1088
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:14,680
if they don't want us taking our nuclear

1089
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,250
weapons to their others Federation star

1090
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,520
systems and aside from that to Bob back

1091
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:24,400
in 52 and I had all those sightings over

1092
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:27,940
Washington if you ever read a book by

1093
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:31,150
Frank ficino shoot him down you become

1094
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,160
quite convinced that there was a

1095
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:35,920
actually a battle of some sort between

1096
00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:39,690
the UFOs and the United States Navy and

1097
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:44,590
it sounds very sort of unbelievable sort

1098
00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:47,200
of science fictiony but when you really

1099
00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:50,590
read through his books and it has to do

1100
00:58:58,050 --> 00:58:55,300
with the flatwoods monster and he

1101
00:59:01,680 --> 00:58:58,060
backtracked all these craft to a large

1102
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:01,690
mothership over the Atlantic it really

1103
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:03,940
starts to make a lot of sense and we

1104
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:06,010
surprised the UFOs by some of the

1105
00:59:10,770 --> 00:59:08,170
technologies that we had developed that

1106
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:10,780
they were certainly capable of doing

1107
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:14,650
themselves but it was unexpected and so

1108
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:18,730
because it was unexpected and they they

1109
00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:21,010
were actually able to penetrate their

1110
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:24,040
resources so I'm sure we quite convince

1111
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:27,130
them that yes as was the Staten Freeman

1112
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:30,250
said we are a tribal civilization with

1113
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:31,900
killer instincts or something like that

1114
00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:35,890
oh yeah so I creates with guns yeah yeah

1115
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,860
yeah so people who feels like so I think

1116
00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:40,960
they're quite reluctant for us to

1117
00:59:49,110 --> 00:59:44,020
develop this and I I don't know why the

1118
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:49,120
Hadron Collider stop do you frozen I run

1119
00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:51,670
out of money was it well I don't I know

1120
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:54,670
they were refitting it got to go from

1121
01:00:00,000 --> 00:59:56,950
seven trillion electron which is the

1122
01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:00,010
resetting yep yeah that and and they had

1123
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:02,800
to do some technical uh five changes

1124
01:00:12,290 --> 01:00:06,690
that would bring it up to ya how do you

1125
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,300
account for the silence in the universe

1126
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:14,460
there was I think it's a French names

1127
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,990
French physicist had a question well if

1128
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:20,640
there are all these civilizations and

1129
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:22,770
there shouldn't be for me yeah the Fermi

1130
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:26,940
yeah yep it got yes sorry to me and all

1131
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:28,530
you Italian Americans out there don't

1132
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,990
come down on me sorry sorry oh the Fermi

1133
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:32,640
paradox the French have their own

1134
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:35,640
problems these days the Fermi paradox

1135
01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:38,970
how do you explain that in Internet can

1136
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:40,820
you explain that in terms of the bulk or

1137
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,290
how would you how would you stand

1138
01:00:47,810 --> 01:00:45,420
Freeman had a great answer for that he

1139
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:47,820
said where are the he goes it simple to

1140
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:50,970
hear yeah that's true I mean never folks

1141
01:00:54,980 --> 01:00:52,410
are been writing they're all over the

1142
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:54,990
place but what about the background

1143
01:01:00,620 --> 01:00:57,770
noise that should be out there of

1144
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:00,630
developing civilizations maybe you're

1145
01:01:04,940 --> 01:01:02,670
assuming it's going to be radio or

1146
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:04,950
something along television season or do

1147
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:10,370
something you know something vibrational

1148
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:15,090
purusha update one of the radio

1149
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:18,300
telescopes did detect what appeared to

1150
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:21,420
be a a lien signal and occasionally they

1151
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:24,590
detect things that look like they're

1152
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,530
intelligent and indesign and but they

1153
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:31,440
tend to be just flickers from and

1154
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:35,370
esperado gift sporadic and and I believe

1155
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,400
that the reason that so is because if we

1156
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:44,160
do figure out how to penetrate the bulk

1157
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:47,220
in the next few years here within a

1158
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,050
decade made perhaps then that means that

1159
01:01:58,820 --> 01:01:53,520
rydia was developed back in nineteen

1160
01:02:02,330 --> 01:01:58,830
hundred and Marconi and so that means

1161
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:02,340
that it's barely a century between the

1162
01:02:09,290 --> 01:02:04,890
development of electromagnetic using

1163
01:02:11,330 --> 01:02:09,300
radio and penetrating the bulk assuming

1164
01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:11,340
we do penetrate it within a decade or so

1165
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:13,860
it's just a little over a century so in

1166
01:02:18,350 --> 01:02:15,900
other words that may explain exactly why

1167
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:18,360
we're not hearing radio signals all over

1168
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,200
the place for the simple reason that all

1169
01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:24,660
these other civilizations realize they

1170
01:02:28,829 --> 01:02:25,960
can just use the

1171
01:02:30,930 --> 01:02:28,839
to get to Alpha Centauri in 20 minutes

1172
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:30,940
and they don't need to send a radio

1173
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:33,400
signal that takes four and a half years

1174
01:02:41,609 --> 01:02:39,310
and so they they end up they give up the

1175
01:02:43,470 --> 01:02:41,619
radio telescopes pretty quickly we have

1176
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:43,480
radio telescopes all over the place now

1177
01:02:50,339 --> 01:02:47,830
but they may once if we if the extra

1178
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:50,349
dimensions are real and we were able and

1179
01:02:56,339 --> 01:02:52,990
the warp geometry of the five

1180
01:02:58,349 --> 01:02:56,349
dimensional bulk is real too and we're

1181
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,359
actually able to get in there and go to

1182
01:03:03,329 --> 01:03:00,960
other star systems we should be able to

1183
01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:03,339
with when the distance we're traveling

1184
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:07,420
was only 25 miles I it wouldn't make any

1185
01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:10,480
further sense to maintain these radio

1186
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:13,000
telescopes because now we're going to be

1187
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:16,210
able to visit and travel to any place in

1188
01:03:21,690 --> 01:03:19,570
the universe and very quickly and so I

1189
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:21,700
think that's why we're not hearing

1190
01:03:27,329 --> 01:03:25,089
signals they all other civilizations are

1191
01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:27,339
similar to us they just give up on the

1192
01:03:32,849 --> 01:03:30,430
radio telescope stuff very quickly sorry

1193
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:32,859
early yes sort of coming close to the

1194
01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:34,930
end of the hour bobbin I really want to

1195
01:03:39,660 --> 01:03:37,540
ask you this one question only and your

1196
01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:39,670
family are all as you noted science

1197
01:03:43,710 --> 01:03:42,040
backgrounds engineering backgrounds

1198
01:03:46,020 --> 01:03:43,720
certainly interested in this sort of

1199
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,030
thing when you get together as you

1200
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:48,480
mentioned you have over the holidays and

1201
01:03:54,810 --> 01:03:51,730
you bring up the subject of UFOs what

1202
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:54,820
what is their opinion of it that's a

1203
01:04:03,030 --> 01:03:57,760
good question um you know um especially

1204
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:03,040
a psychic wife what is she said um she's

1205
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:05,290
kind of accepting of it but she's not

1206
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:08,890
terribly interested in it if I can put

1207
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,910
it that way it's sort of and my sisters

1208
01:04:18,329 --> 01:04:15,359
are not particularly interested either

1209
01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:18,339
but my brothers are my identical twin

1210
01:04:25,050 --> 01:04:22,300
just like me fascinated by the potential

1211
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:25,060
of physics to penetrate the bulk and and

1212
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:27,310
the Large Hadron Collider all that stuff

1213
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:29,609
you know and my other brothers similar

1214
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:34,000
also has a so exactly similar interest

1215
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:38,770
to and among and oh this may sound

1216
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:39,700
sexist

1217
01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:45,760
absolutely but I do notice that my male

1218
01:04:54,210 --> 01:04:49,480
relatives appear to have much more

1219
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:54,220
interest in the possibility but on the

1220
01:05:03,240 --> 01:04:57,220
other hand some a few of my female

1221
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:03,250
relatives do too so but i can say uh the

1222
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:06,760
on the men male side most have an

1223
01:05:12,270 --> 01:05:09,310
interest on the female side a couple in

1224
01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:12,280
a so it's kind of broken down that way

1225
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:16,900
but i also might want to add that it's

1226
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:19,450
just myself and my twin brother and my

1227
01:05:25,859 --> 01:05:23,050
other brother Charlie that are mostly it

1228
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:25,869
are deeply involved in investigating

1229
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:30,640
this but on the other hand if we end up

1230
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:33,910
if it ends up that the bulk does exist

1231
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:37,359
and they're able to send a probe in

1232
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:39,250
there and look at the possibility of

1233
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:41,050
traveling to other planets I can

1234
01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:43,390
absolutely guarantee all the males all

1235
01:05:49,319 --> 01:05:45,550
the females in the family will be

1236
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:49,329
absolutely glued to the work that we're

1237
01:05:54,210 --> 01:05:52,089
doing and physics is doing you will be

1238
01:05:57,420 --> 01:05:54,220
too we will I was going to say our be

1239
01:06:00,420 --> 01:05:57,430
right there with you Oh Edwin we really

1240
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:00,430
appreciate your agreeing to be on our

1241
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:03,250
program and you will notice that we are

1242
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:06,430
two women here talking about UFOs silent

1243
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:09,010
there are at least I love you I you know

1244
01:06:17,609 --> 01:06:12,250
fruition and I and Jackie I was thinking

1245
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,619
about that um that I realize a lot of

1246
01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:19,359
the people that I deal with in the UFO

1247
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:23,560
feel aren't indeed female alike Dr Lin

1248
01:06:32,460 --> 01:06:28,690
Katai down in phoenix arizona and and

1249
01:06:35,339 --> 01:06:32,470
let stand other two voices all every

1250
01:06:39,450 --> 01:06:35,349
game and yes not forget to mention

1251
01:06:43,470 --> 01:06:39,460
Angela joiner who yeah this was the

1252
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:43,480
sixth anniversary yes yes yeah cuz she

1253
01:06:46,850 --> 01:06:44,890
really paid the price for being

1254
01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:46,860
interested though indeed

1255
01:06:53,330 --> 01:06:50,670
yeah and what I also know she was sort

1256
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:53,340
of the report higher but sort of long

1257
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:56,130
she will she was the reporter down in

1258
01:07:02,540 --> 01:06:59,760
Stephenville Texas who continued to

1259
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:02,550
investigate after she was told not yes

1260
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:05,490
and she was a very well-respected

1261
01:07:12,350 --> 01:07:09,420
reporter she lost her job and she

1262
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:12,360
continued to be interested for a number

1263
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:14,550
of years and I think she's sort of

1264
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:17,700
fallen away from it a bit now but she

1265
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:21,330
was a very interested participant in

1266
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:24,420
ufology for about five years there I'd

1267
01:07:32,330 --> 01:07:28,680
say yes um and I give her a lot of

1268
01:07:35,030 --> 01:07:32,340
credit for bringing it to the two as a

1269
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:35,040
journalist for speaking out about it

1270
01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:38,040
publicly and and I didn't realize that

1271
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:40,590
she may have gotten into a bit of

1272
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:43,170
trouble over it you know that's really

1273
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:47,610
too bad but but I'll tell you what if if

1274
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:50,610
it turns out that these ideas that I'm

1275
01:07:58,340 --> 01:07:53,670
playing around with that modern physics

1276
01:08:00,200 --> 01:07:58,350
is going on the right path um I will be

1277
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:00,210
one of the first people involved in this

1278
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:04,050
and setting up a company abilities to

1279
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:07,980
build a way no I will be on the 401 wage

1280
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:12,420
that IPO Bob I wish and heck I I want

1281
01:08:18,140 --> 01:08:15,030
you in the company on the movie then and

1282
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:18,150
it and Angela Joyner to oak and and get

1283
01:08:24,170 --> 01:08:20,430
you all in there and because this would

1284
01:08:26,990 --> 01:08:24,180
literally replace all them capture

1285
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:27,000
contemporary transportation and things

1286
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:29,130
like that thanks I couldn't even imagine

1287
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:31,530
where that would go it would be by

1288
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:33,690
fascinating so much more than just

1289
01:08:40,220 --> 01:08:37,640
transportation yeah but anyway

1290
01:08:43,250 --> 01:08:40,230
unfortunately this sort of concludes

1291
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:43,260
another episode of shattered reality ken

1292
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:46,920
can you tell us where oh yeah is

1293
01:08:54,980 --> 01:08:49,260
available to solving the UFO enigma

1294
01:08:58,460 --> 01:08:54,990
where we can yes they can if people

1295
01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:58,470
would like to buy the book and they can

1296
01:09:03,670 --> 01:09:00,600
buy it they can go into amazon

1297
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:03,680
calm and i just put Robert Schroeder

1298
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:06,540
solving the UFO enigma it should pop

1299
01:09:11,420 --> 01:09:09,000
right up and people can take a look at

1300
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,430
what people have written about the book

1301
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:13,920
the reviews and stuff if they'd like to

1302
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,359
see them and and that would be great um

1303
01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:21,359
I appreciate you mentioning that oh you

1304
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:22,920
know there's a lot of skeptics out there

1305
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:27,540
to Bob and before they get too involved

1306
01:09:31,670 --> 01:09:29,670
in their own skepticism I really think

1307
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:31,680
they should read your book it's aight

1308
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,050
you do make the physics very very

1309
01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:36,000
understandable you don't require a

1310
01:09:41,210 --> 01:09:38,660
degree it's really pretty

1311
01:09:44,060 --> 01:09:41,220
straightforward next for a basic

1312
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,070
understanding and after they read that

1313
01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:46,080
and they're still skeptical than by all

1314
01:09:50,540 --> 01:09:48,240
means go to your website or ours and

1315
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:50,550
we'd love to hear from the audience to

1316
01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:52,740
see what they think about silly we would

1317
01:09:57,850 --> 01:09:54,750
love to hear from our audience we would

1318
01:10:01,630 --> 01:09:57,860
love to hear about their experiences and

1319
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:01,640
we will put them on the air either

1320
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:04,170
anonymously or with their names if they

1321
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:06,810
wish we are interested in knowing what

1322
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:11,040
your experience in the paranormal with

1323
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:15,260
UFOs or otherwise is and we will let

1324
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:18,570
others know so we can help to solve the

1325
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:21,030
many enigmas that surround the

1326
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,290
paranormal world that that sounds

1327
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,800
fantastic Anna and uh and of course up

1328
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:30,480
by the way I want to thank you guys for

1329
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:33,650
having me on your show Oh bless you

1330
01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:37,890
absolutely always interesting coming up

1331
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:41,750
on shattered reality we have former

1332
01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:45,480
MUFON star investigator chase koletzki

1333
01:10:52,810 --> 01:10:48,840
who is going to be speaking about her

1334
01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:52,820
book and about her experiences

1335
01:11:00,590 --> 01:10:56,430
investigating UFOs for MUFON and onward

1336
01:11:03,530 --> 01:11:00,600
that's our next session and after that

1337
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:03,540
we have a personal friend of mine

1338
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:06,150
Natalie sud minh who wrote a book called

1339
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:08,870
the application of impossible things

1340
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:12,690
natalie is an archaeologist who worked

1341
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:14,250
for the army corps of engine

1342
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:18,510
years in Iraq and was blown up by an

1343
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:21,510
improvised explosive device on the rocky

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road way and she had quite an

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extraordinary out-of-body sort of

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experience she calls it the blink and

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she's going to be talking about it right

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here on shattered reality two sessions

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from now so thank you so much for tuning